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Tragedia w Glasgow,potrojne samobojstwo

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Anyuta
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Anyuta 723
08.03.2010, 09:10

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...
Prawdziwa tragedia,widac juz,ze tutejsza policja stara sie przyciszyc sprawe,ale najprawdopodobniej byli to uchodzcy,ktorym odmowiono statutu i byl juz na nich nakaz deportacji.W sprawie "baby P" byly zwolnienie,dochodzenia...odnosnie zaniedban pracownikow opieki spolecznej.Ciekawe jaka bedzie reakcja Home Officu,ktory juz teraz mowi,ze uchodzcy nie zwrocili sie o zadna dodatkowa pomoc.

Anyuta
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#3108.03.2010, 18:51

Szczerze mowiac Dorka to mnie tu tez wiekszosc komentarzy zszokowala.Sa tematy na jakie mozna zartowac,ale ten z pewnoscia do nich nie nalezy.Ale coz,komentarze tylko swiadcza o ich autorach...

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achernar
#3208.03.2010, 18:53

i o autorkach.. rownouprawnienie chcialyscie...

Chwila_Ciszy
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Chwila_Ciszy 1 716
#3308.03.2010, 18:55

a pomyslalas o rodzinie ktora zostawili we wlasnym kraju .Moze zostaly tam dzieci,zony ,rodzice I co mam ubolewac nad ich debilizmem?

Anyuta
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Anyuta 723
#3408.03.2010, 18:58

Zig Zag,to wlasnie byla rodzina-matka,ojciec i syn.

Chwila_Ciszy
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Chwila_Ciszy 1 716
#3508.03.2010, 19:03

No to beda razem rodzinnie z pobytem stalym.

TomaszW
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TomaszW 743
#3608.03.2010, 19:07

wiekszosc sie Cieszy,ale chcial bym was widziec w podobnej sytuacji jak wiekszosc ludzi z roznych panst gdzie tocza sie wojny,czystki etniczne...

dorann74
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dorann74 14 008 343
#3708.03.2010, 19:09

zig_zag 1
#33 | Dziś - 18:55

a pomyslalas o rodzinie ktora zostawili we wlasnym kraju .Moze zostaly tam dzieci,zony ,rodzice I co mam ubolewac nad ich debilizmem?,,

lepiej ubolewaj nad swoim

TomaszW
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TomaszW 743
#3808.03.2010, 19:09

anna smith
#31 | Dziś - 18:51

Szczerze mowiac Dorka to mnie tu tez wiekszosc komentarzy zszokowala.Sa tematy na jakie mozna zartowac,ale ten z pewnoscia do nich nie nalezy.Ale coz,komentarze tylko swiadcza o ich autorach...

co sie dziwisz gdyby jedne z drugim pomieszkal w takim kraju to by moze nie robili z siebie blaznow

jmariusz3
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jmariusz3 19 014
#3908.03.2010, 19:11

nic tak nie cieszy jak innych tragedia :/
brak slow na glupote paru osob w tym temacie.

Anyuta
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Anyuta 723
#4008.03.2010, 19:29

Wlasnie ta naiwnosc i niewiedza mnie Tomasz dziwi.Ludzie tu pisza o" glupocie samobojcow,latajacych ptakach..." ale czy ktos zadal sobie pytanie dlaczego oni tu przybyli,co wygnalo/zmusilo ich do opuszczenia kraju?Nie sadze,zeby ktos z tych komentatorow znal sytuacje w Czeczeni i wiedzial do czego posuneli sie tam Rosjanie.Nie mysle,ze slyszeli o masowych mordach calych czeczenskich wiosek,ze ktokolwiek z nich wie,ze wielu Afrykanczykow z Konga czy Sierra Leone ma amputowane konczyny przez znarkotyzowane dzieci-zolnierzy,zeby nie mogli juz nigdy brac udzialu w zadnych wyborach.Nie wspomne juz o osobach(szczegolnie kobietach) z krajow muzulmanskich,ktore staraja sie tu o statut azylanta,bo w swoim kraju najblizsza rodzina wydala na nie wyrok smierci.
Moze wlasnie tam trzeba szukac odpowiedzi dlaczego zdecydowali sie na tak desperacki krok w obliczu deportacji...

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#4108.03.2010, 19:34

Przepraszam ,ale co sie stalo ?,wszyscy piszecie o tragedi ,ale jakiej ?nikt nie napisal ,kogos zabili ?........

rockwell
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rockwell 344
#4208.03.2010, 19:45

#40.

a kogo obchodzą cudze problemy skoro każdy ma wystarczająco swoich?

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#4308.03.2010, 19:50

Napisze ktos co sie stalo ?,bo nadal nie wiem ...

kijevna
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#4408.03.2010, 19:56

kliknie linka u góry

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#4508.03.2010, 19:58

kliklem i juz wiem co sie stalo tylko kto to byl ?nasi ?chyba nie .................

Anyuta
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Anyuta 723
#4608.03.2010, 20:01

To byli ludzie,uchodzcy polityczni,ktorzy starali sie tu o azyl polityczni.Matka,ojciec i syn,ktorzy popelnili zbiorowe samobojstwo w obliczu deportacji.A skad byli to chyba najmniej istotne.

Anyuta
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#4708.03.2010, 20:02

*o azyl polityczny

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#4808.03.2010, 20:07

po co to zrobili ?,napewno bylo inne rozwiazanie ,co chcieli poprzez to udowodnic ?,wybrali najglupsze z wyjsc nie wiadomo czy chodzilo o deportacje to sa domysly ,tajemnice zabrali z soba ,szkoda ich ale zycie toczy sie dalej czy z nimi czy bez nich ,nie pierwsi i nie ostatnimi sa ktorzy wybrali glupia smierc mgdyz zycie ma sie jedno .....

kama79_79
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#4908.03.2010, 20:52

W koncu Kosowianie, czy Czeczency?

O rodzicach, co z wlasnymi dziecmi w samochodzie postanawiali zejsc z tego swiata nikt tak nie debatowal tutaj.
Tez tragedia i zdarzalo sie to kilkakrotnie, w ciagu ostatniego roku.
Nad kazdym wisielcem bedziesz sie Anna teraz zastanawiac?
Mieli powod, to skoczyli.
Widocznie za malo im UK dalo.

dorann74
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dorann74 14 008 343
#5008.03.2010, 21:08

Kosowianie są w Unii, od kiedy?
Kosowo utworzyło własne państwo w 2008, pewnie dlatego byli by deportowani, bo już nie ma powodów według UK by ich tu trzymać jako uchodźców...Pewnie nie chcieli wracać do gnoju

dorann74
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#5108.03.2010, 21:10

to w końcu Kosowianie, czy Czeczeńcy? Bo jak bym była deportowana jako Czeczenka, to bym pewnie sama skoczyła

dorann74
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#5208.03.2010, 21:14

,,A neighbour at the block in Springburn, Glasgow, said she thought that they were Kosovans facing deportation. “I think they had a letter through the door that said they were coming back for them,”...to z tekstu,czyli w sumie domysły, nie fakty skad byli

kama79_79
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#5308.03.2010, 21:15

Dorka, jak mozna wklejac link, w ktory mowa o Kosowie i kilkakrotnie powtarzac, ze sa to Czeczency?
Skoczyli, teraz trzeba debatowac i zastanawiac sie, kto winny, komu to przypisac?
Home Office winny, opieka spoleczna, ktora nie sprawuje pieczy nad uchodzcami..., No ale...

dorann74
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#5408.03.2010, 21:21

To powiedziała sąsiadka, mój kolega by dostał po pysku, bo Litwina by pomylili z Polakiem...więc mam wątpliwosci w końcu...

dysmonn
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dysmonn 14 659 2
#5508.03.2010, 21:25

Ich dziecka mi w takim razie najbardziej szkoda. Oni sobie mogli skakac, jak tak bardzo chcieli. Ale kazac skakac dziecku? Masakra.

nshadow.
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nshadow. 3 372
#5608.03.2010, 22:18

to co sie niestety stalo moze ruszy troche ten system i zmusi pewne organizacje do przemyslenia swoich dzialan i standartow. ponizej macie maly wierzcholek gory lodowej...

a co do tych blokow to zaden polak nie dostanie tam mieszkania bo jest to miejsce, do ktorego wysylani sa czekajacy na dezycje HO asylum seekers, glownie z londynu, a glasgow council bierze za to kupe kasy od rzadu majac tych ludzi niestety gleboko w d...
jezeli myslisz, ze mozesz cos zmienic przeczytaj to co jest ponizej wklejone.

PLEASE ATTEND IN SUPPORT OF THE RED ROAD RESIDENTS AT BRAND STREET REPORTING CENTRE TOMORROW 11 AM TUESDAY 9 MARCH 2010

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DEMAND A PUBLIC ENQUIRY INTO THE RED ROAD SUICIDES
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QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED IN SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT AT FIRST MINISTERS QUESTIONS ON THURSDAY 11 MARCH 2010
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ASK QUESTIONS OF YOUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES ABOUT THE WAY THE CURRENT UK ASYLUM SYSTEM OPERATES AND DEMAND AN OVERHAUL TO THEIR BARBARIC PRACTICES

(please copy your emails or correspondece to [email protected] )

Residents of Red Road have asked for help with a demonstration outside the UK Borders Agency, (Home Office) at Festival Court , 200 Brand Street , Govan, Glasgow (next to Cessnock underground and off Paisley Road West , Glasgow ) on Tuesday 9th March in memory of the family who committed suicide on Sunday morning from one of the tower blocks in Red Road .

The bodies of the family, a couple and their son, were found at the bottom of a 31-storey block at 63 Petershill Drive , Springburn, Glasgow, on Sunday morning. We understand they were asylum-seekers who had received a negative decision from the UK Borders Agency (UKBA).

According to the Unity Centre in Govan, Strathclyde police visited the family’s flat on the 15th floor last Friday to tell them their asylum case had been refused and they would have to leave the flat. It is common for the police only to come to the door of a refused asylum seeker at the request of the landlord after the family have refused to leave their accommodation.

So far, the YMCA who were landlords for the three are refusing to comment to the media. (The YMCA has a highly profitable contract with the UK Borders Agency to house asylum seekers in the Red Road flats, which are some of Glasgow ’s worst housing stock).

It is difficult to understand why it has taken the police more than 24 hours to identify the three people as all asylum seekers are repeatedly asked to give their finger-prints by the Home Office and their landlords, the YMCA, should be able to tell the police who was living in the flat at the time.

At the moment, the Home Office are saying they are not prepared to comment, however it has been known for asylum seekers to be so desperate that they jump from their windows if they think they are about be detained in a dawn raid by the Home Office's Enforcement Team. Neighbours have said that they thought the Home Office had been banging on the door on Sunday morning when the family jumped.

Every-day, Positive Action in Housing’s staff are confronted with the reality of asylum seekers coming into the office crying or upset because they have just been told they must leave the country. Then their money and housing is stopped a week later. We run a hardship fund and give out small amounts of cash for food and arrange free shelter in the homes of our volunteers. There is a great deal of mental strain and it is normal currency for people to talk about ending their lives as a viable alternative to destitution or removal.

After years of waiting on a decision, and putting your life and the lives of your family on hold, it’s a big shock to be systematically stripped of each and every one of your basic human rights of food, shelter and work by the asylum system, and then face the daily terror of destitution or possible removal in the early hours. Then it’s easy to see why someone would consider suicide preferable to returning to an unsafe country.

We believe there should be a public inquiry into these deaths, and the impact of the UK Borders Agency and their terror campaign - disguised as asylum policy - on the lives of asylum seekers who have lived here for years but live in permanent fear of destitution, detention and removal. Many asylum seekers flee persecution or death, only to be terrorised by the prospect of removal back to an unsafe country, and in the process face destitution or long term detention. The current asylum system is based on the false premise that all asylum seekers are bogus. We need a complete rethink.

PLEASE, PLEASE ACT NOW

This case, and many others, raise serious questions about the way the UK asylum system operates in this country. Members of the public have a right to know if we have a fair asylum system, or one which terrorises vulnerable people to the point they would take their own lives. Please demand the following questions are answered and write to your MSP, MP, the First Minister, the Scottish Secretary and the home Secretary:

Please copy your correspondence to [email protected]. Email addresses are at the end of this email.

1. Who were the family and what was their background in the UK ?

2. Demand a public enquiry into the suicides and in particular the details of all communications the UK Borders Agency had with the family.

3. What communications did the YMCA and Strathclyde Police have with the family?

4. We want to know the Home Office arrangements for the deceased. Have the relatives of the deceased been informed? What plans does the UKBA have to remove their bodies to their countries of origin? (We know of cases where the bodies of dead asylum seekers have been left unclaimed in mortuaries for years, this charity has had to step in to raise funds for the return of the dead to their families for a proper burial).

5. Neighbours have stated that on Saturday evening, a few hours before the suicide, the family were seen taking bags out of the flat. We believe they were planning to escape removal, not commit suicide, and that happened on the Sunday morning which drove them to make the decision to build a pyre of furniture on the veranda and throw themselves from their fifteenth floor. We want to know if the Home Office Removal vans were in the vicinity. We want to know if UK Borders Agency removal officials were in the vicinity of 63 Petershill Drive . Were they, as has been suggested, knocking at the door of the suicide victims at 63 Petershill Drive, Springburn on Sunday morning with a view to removing the family?

6. Why are innocent children still being locked up like criminals in Scotland ? Many asylum seekers who report weekly to Brand Street reporting centre don't know if this or the next week they will simply not be allowed to leave. Only on Friday, Stephanie Ovrawah went to pick up her twin six year old sons, Joshua and Joel, from Cranhill Primary School in Glasgow before going to “sign” at Brand Street Reporting Centre. The family have been Glasgow residents since the children were babies. They were immediately detained with the children still in their school uniforms, no goodbyes to their neighbours or school friends, no chance to pick up their belongings from home; they were just taken to Dungavel Removal Centre and then to Yarls Wood Removal centre, where they currently await their fate. Joshua (6) said today, “I miss my friend Taylor. I miss Mrs O’Brien and Mr Downs. They are our teachers. They said they are sending us back. I don’t know this Africa ... My mum says we didn’t do anything wrong. They shout at us and a guard hit my brother. We want to leave, this is a prison and a dump… I want to go back to school tomorrow and see my friends Taylor, Rhys and Keegan. ”

7. We want questions raised in the Scottish parliament asto why the barbarism of the UK asylum system is allowed to operate on Scottish soil. What is the Scottish Government going to do to put a stop to this once and for all?

Please write to the following people to demand answers about this case and the way the asylum system operates. Please copy your correspondence to [email protected]

Write to your MSP, MP and MEP. To find out who your local representative is, just enter your postcode in http://www.writetothem.com/ and email them from the website.

Write to:

Alex Salmond, First Minister at [email protected]
Jim Murphy , Scotland Secretary at [email protected]
Alan Johnson, Home Secretary at [email protected]
Or: [email protected]
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[email protected]

Notes

1. Positive Action in Housing Ltd is a Scottish wide charity working with communities, housing providers, voluntary organisations and faith groups to enable everyone to have an equal chance to live in good quality, affordable and safe homes, free from discrimination and the fear of racial harassment and violence. We offer advice, information and support to people from new migrant, refugee and minority ethnic communities. We run a free, confidential and impartial casework service for those facing poverty, homelessness, racism or poor housing. We run a Hardship Fund and provide emergency shelter and practical resources for destitute asylum seekers and their families. We provide volunteering and sessional work opportunities. We support human rights and anti-racist campaigns. We inform social policy from a user-led perspective
2. As a charity, Positive Action in Housing depends on donations. Please help us by making a single or monthly donation. Alternatively, donate online via your internet banking, through PayPal, or make a donation quickly, easily and securely online now via JustGiving.
3. The flats at Petershill Drive are run by the YMCA under a contract with the UKBA. It is not known exactly how much money the YMCA makes per asylum seeker from that contract.
4. Hundreds of refused asylum seekers in Glasgow rely on Positive Action in Housing when they are forced into destitution because of the UK government’s insistence that they return to unsafe countries. Through our destitution project, Lifeline, our caseworkers arrange for destitute clients to stay in the homes of our volunteers, and arrange practical support such as clothes, sleeping bags, food, shelter and befriending, as well as access to legal and housing support. We have a database of volunteers who provide free shelter in their homes. We rely on donations to pay towards the hardship fund.
5. We provide a Hardship Fund which gives out small sums of cash for food and hostel accommodation (£1500 per month). In 2009, we gave out over 700 destitution payments totalling £18,020 to prevent people going hungry or becoming street homeless.
6. In 2009, we assisted 975 households. Out of this, 276 were destitute asylum seekers. This represents a 25% increase since 2008. We provided 1,368 nights of shelter through hostels (554 nights) and volunteers (814 nights). 128 people (55%) were in the process of lodging a fresh claim or a judicial review when they were made destitute. We assisted destitute asylum seekers from 44 countries including the following: Iran (15%), Iraq (14%), Somalia ( 9%), Zimbabwe (8%), China (8%), Dem Rep of Congo (7%) and Sudan (5%)

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Anyuta
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Anyuta 723
#5708.03.2010, 22:45

Domysly domyslami,ale jest w tej sprawie sporo niejasnosci i pytania z powyzszego tekstu sa najbardziej jak na miejscu!

Anyuta
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Anyuta 723
#5808.03.2010, 22:45

Domysly domyslami,ale jest w tej sprawie sporo niejasnosci i pytania z powyzszego tekstu sa najbardziej jak na miejscu!

Anyuta
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Anyuta 723
#5908.03.2010, 22:50

Nie wierze,ze ludzie by popelnili samobojstwo gdyby nie byli juz pewni,ze beda deportowani.Teraz HO chce wszystko pieknie zatuszowac i zwalic wine na samych uchodzcow,ze nie szukali dalszej pomocy.A jak powiedzieli sasiedzi najprawdopodobnie w ten dzien byli juz przedstawiciele ekipy deportujacej,ktorzy dobijali sie do ich drzwi

dorann74
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dorann74 14 008 343
#6008.03.2010, 23:12

dysmonn ( zbuntowana )
#55 | Dziś - 21:25 .. Dysmon sorry, ale ja nie wiem, co tych ludzi czekało w ich własnym państwie, więc może mnie takich bzdur?

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